Browning Hi Power Informational Sites
Sites for reference, information and discussion of the Browning Hi Power and all of it's variants
By randy
Sat, Mar 17, 2007 9:46 am
These sites should be bookmarked by any owner of a Browning Hi Power (BHP) pistol. They provide a wealth of historical and technical information, and the members of the discussion groups are a great resource for answering just about any question you have on the pistol, it’s design, and it’s operation.
FN Herstal’s Official web site From the menu at the top of the page choose “Small Arms”, then “Handguns”, then “MK3S”.
Stephen Camp’s Hi Powers and Handguns site is mandatory viewing for any Hi Power owner, no matter what variation IMHO. His Hi Power Disassembly Guide was worth it’s weight in gold when it came time to replace the extractor in my .40 BHP. Highly recommended, a must buy if you plan on doing anything more than field stripping your pistol.
The Handguns and Ammo Hi Power Forum was the gathering point when the late lamented FNHIPOWER.COM site became defunct. Requires free registration to view, but I have not received any spam or had any other problems since registering a couple of years ago.
1911forum.com also has a section for the Browning Hi Power.
Browning has information on current commerical models and a serial number chart for help in determining when your pistol was manufactured, so long as it was a commercial Browning/FN, not a military variant.
Numrich Gun Parts Corporation has online schematics and parts lists. I’ve done business with them several times and have had fast, reliable service. An alternate to Browing as a source of parts.
An autoloading pistol is no better than it’s magazine. The Browning Hi-Power Magazine FAQ is an excellent discussion about what is available both commercially and as surplus, what to look for and what to stay away from.
Mec-Gar not only sells after market magazines with an excellent reputation, they are also the OEM for magazines shipped with pistols produced by FN/Browning.
Wayne Novak and Bill Laughridge of Cylinder and Slide are 2 of, if not THE 2, premier gunsmiths in the US for work on the BHP platform. Another gunsmith highly recommended by many in the online community is Jim Garthwaite. Even if you never plan to send your pistol to one of these smith’s, the sites are a wealth of information about what can be done, and they have lots of pretty pictures too!
To add flexibility and cheap practice, there are .22LR conversion kits available. I do not own any of these nor can I recommend any, just listing them for your information. Florida Gun Works, JLD, Ciner. Cruffler has discussion about some of these.
Places to shoot in North Texas
List of local ranges, their websites, phone numbers, addresses and hours if available.
By gandalf23
Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:26 pm
Adrenalin Proving Grounds
Website: Adrenalin Proving Grounds
Phone: (888) 524 4108
Address: 2131 Hwy 380, Greenville, TX 75401
Hours: Open 8:00 a.m. 7 days a week. Closing times are seasonal.
Fees: See website for details.
Highlights: 25 to 300m ranges. See website for details.
Alpine Shooting Range
Website: Alpine Shooting Range
Phone: 817-478-6613
Address: 5482 Shelby Road, Ft. Worth, Texas 76140
Hours: Open 8:00 a.m. 7 days a week. Closing times are seasonal.
Fees: $7.50 per person, $6.00 for seniors, $4.00 for children - 12 and under. Punch Card for 10 range
Highlights: NO FMJ. Rifle ranges are 100yds. & 50yds, Pistol ranges are 50yds. 30yds. & 3/50 ft. Skeet, trap, clays available.
Arlington Sportsman’s Club
Website: Arlington Sportsman’s Club
Phone: ?
Address: 11500 County Road 525, Mansfield, TX 76063
Hours:
Fees: $150 a year?
Highlights: Private club
The Bullet Trap
Website: The Bullet Trap
Phone: (972) 881-0372
Address: 2608 Avenue K, Plano (between Park and Parker)
Hours: Mon - Sat: 10:00 AM - 8:30 PM Sun: 12 Noon - 6 PM
Fees: Non-members: $16.99 per lane 1 person - $28.00 per lane 2 people - $4.00 children under 16. Members: $7.00 per lane 1 person - $14.00 per lane 2 people - $4.00 children under 16
Highlights: INDOOR RANGE. Full service gun store, rental guns available. 18 pistol, and 2 rifle lanes. 25yds or less. Bench/seated or standing (no prone or kneeling)
Bullseye Range and Guns
Website: Bullseye Range and Guns
Phone: 972-780-1807
Address: 1151 S. Cedar Ridge Drive Duncanville, TX 75137
Hours: 11:00AM to 8:00PM Monday through Saturday
Fees: $12.00 per shooter non-member, $8.00 per shooter members, $125.00 individual yearly membership, $175.00 family yearly membership, Kids under 18 shoot free with paid adult.
Highlights: 12 lanes: 6 at 15 yards; 6 at 25 yards, Pistol caliber only (including carbines) but no Magnum loads. FMJ friendly, no time limit. Plenty of free parking. 4 Certified Glock Armorers in shop. Gun repair and service, CHL courses (new and renew), Over 300 pistols, revolvers, shotguns, rifles new and used for sale. Gun rental.
Dallas Pistol Club
Website: Dallas Pistol Club
Phone: 972-242-9770
Address: 1830 W. Belt Line Rd., Carrollton, TX 75006
Hours: Dawn to Dusk, Every Day
Fees:
Highlights: Private membership only.
Denton County Sports Assn. Inc.
Website: Denton County Sports Assn. Inc.
Phone: 972-949-4180
Address: 409 Copper Canyon Road, Argyle (**Mail Route) TX 76226
Hours: See website.
Fees: Annual Membership Only. See website.
Highlights: Private indoor handgun range. Southern Denton County. Gravel parking, lighted skills trails, indoor gun range. Indoor and outdoor classrooms.
DFW Gun Range
Website: DFW Gun Range
Phone: 214-630-4866
Address: 1607 West Mockingbird Lane, Dallas, TX
Hours: Mon through Sat 10 AM until 9 PM Sun 1 PM to 6 PM
Fees: Non-member: $16. Member: $8. Membership: $150
Highlights: INDOOR RANGE. Class 3 friendly. 9 – 25yd lanes and 5 – 15yds lanes. $5 add’l fee for rifles - FMJ OK. Bench/seated or standing (no prone or kneeling)
East Texas Rifle and Pistol Club
Website: East Texas Rifle and Pistol Club
Phone: See website for contact information.
Address: 1045 FM 2011, Longview, Texas
Hours: 7 days a week. See website for details.
Fees: Annual membership. See website for details.
Highlights: The club property totals 125 acres and includes 4 rifle ranges, 2 lighted pistol ranges, and a lighted shotgun/sporting clays range. Electrical hookups are available for camping. All ranges are covered and there are plenty of benches. Targets are for sale on both pistol ranges for 30 each. Restroom facilities and running water are available. The club has a private, gated entrance and is available 7 days a week. The ranges are handicap accessible.
Elk Castle Gun Range
Website: Elk Castle Gun Range
Phone: 817-246-4622
Address: 8240 West Freeway, Fort Worth, Texas 76108
Hours: Monday - Friday 9am to 6pm, Saturday 9am to 5pm, Sunday Closed
Fees: $12 per hour
Highlights: gun rentals $15 per hour, closes early: Last shooter is on the range at 5pm Monday through Saturday.
Elm Fork Shooting Center (formerly Winchester Gun Range)
Website: Elm Fork Shooting Center
Phone: 972-556-0164
Address: 10751 Luna Rd, Dallas
Hours: Tue-Fri 10am to 7 pm. Sat & Sun 9am to 7pm. CLOSED MONDAYS
Fees: $15.00 per shooter, per day for pistol and rifle $25.00 an hour for reactive steel plate range. Archery $10.00 per person per day.
Highlights: NO FMJ. 3-D Archery range coming soon.
Garland Public Shooting Range
Website: Garland Public Shooting Range
Phone: 972-495-5330
Address: 2606 Pleasant Valley Road, Garland, TX 75040
Hours: 7 Days a Week 10:00am - 8:00pm
Fees: Rifle, Pistol, Archery $10.00 one time fee for ID card, and $10 fee per day.
Highlights: NO FMJ. Black Rifle friendly. Nice, large, clean. Concrete benches. 50yd and 100yds rifle. 15yd and 20yd pistol/rimfire.
Gibson Outpost Shooting Range
Website:
Phone: (972) 222-8127
Address: 1712 Lawson Rd, Mesquite, TX 75181
Hours: 7 Days a Week, 10:00am - 5:30pm
Fees: $10.83 per day, Annual membership card required, which is $6.00 per year.
Highlights: FMJ Friendly. Black Rifle friendly. Large range. Wood benches. 50yd, 100yd, and 200yd rifle. 15yd and 25yd pistol/rimfire.
Haltom City Rifle and Pistol Club
Website: Haltom City Rifle and Pistol Club
Phone: 917-478-4879
Address: 2100 Minnis Dr., Haltom City, TX (HWY 121 and Minnis Dr)
Hours: See schedule on website.
Fees: $75 annual, $100 initiation
Highlights: Private club range.
Jacobs Plain Gun Club
Website: Jacobs Plain Gun Club
Phone: 903-455-2264
Address: 6734 FM 118, Greenville, TX
Hours: Thursday - Sunday, 9am-5pm. See schedule on website.
Fees: ?
Highlights: 50 and 100yd Rifle range, Pistol range, 7 tac bays, Pro shop, training, archery, RV sites.
Magnum Shooting Range
Website:
Phone: 940-458-7000
Address: 4934 Duck Creek Rd. Sanger TX 76266
Hours:
Fees:
Highlights:
Parker County Sportsman Club
Website: Parker County Sportsman Club
Phone: ?
Address: 6700 Advance Rd, Poolville, TX 76487
Hours: Open from sun up to sun down 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
Fees: Club membership. $60 annually, with $50 initiation fee.
Highlights: There are 4 ranges: Pistol 50 yards, rifle 100 and 275 yards and the shotgun range. The clubhouse and heated restrooms are surrounded by graveled parking area. We also have two manual operated trap stations for shot gunning, with automated trap and combination field concrete work being done this spring. We utilize a bulletin board for current events at the clubhouse. Monthly newsletter to keep members informed of activities. Website and email contact. Tilt wall 10X20 supply storage building to keep the maintenance items in good shape. The clubhouse is available for meetings, classes, etc.
Pigeon Road Shooting Range
Website:
Phone: 254-968-8986
Address: 6933 FM02303 Stephenville, TX 76401
Hours: Open Mon. - Sat., 8 a.m. - 6 p.m.
Fees:
Highlights: Offers shooting ranges for rifles and pistols, trap fields for shotguns, a sporting goods store, and archery.
Quail Creek Public Shooting Range
Website: Quail Creek Public Shooting Range
Phone: (940) 648-3356
Address: I-35 W. At FM 1171 (Centrally Located Between Fort Worth, Denton, & Lewisville)
Hours: Tuesday - Sunday, 9am - 6pm. Closed Monday.
Fees: ?
Highlights: NO FMJ rifle ammo (that also includes tracer /incediary/AP) NO RAPID FIRE, 1 shot every 2 seconds. NO NFA weapons or devices of any kind, to include ANYTHING with a Tax stamp (Machine guns, SBR, Suppressors, AOW)
The Shooters Club
Website: The Shooters Club
Phone: 817-740-0805
Address: 2420 Northeast 28th Street (SH 183), Fort Worth, TX. 76106
Hours: 7 days a week, 9 am - 7 pm
Fees: $8 range fee for two hours.
Highlights: 15 yard indoor 8-lane range that’s clean. Pistol only up to 44mag, and rifles in .22 or pistol calibers. Gunsmith and store on-site. $20 transfers.
Tacpro Shooting Center
Website: Tacpro Shooting Center
Phone: 254-968-3112
Address: 35100 North State Hwy 108, Mingus, TX 76463
Hours: 8AM - dusk
Fees: $25/day, $15/half-day (non-members). $10/$5 for members. $125 annual membership.
Highlights: The 550 acre Shooting Center facilities include a gun store specializing in products for tactical professionals, Law Enforcement and competition shooters, classrooms with covered firing point, restrooms and refreshment machines, outdoor pistol, tactical shotgun and Subgun ranges, with paper and reactive steel targets. The Center also can accommodate shooting up to 1000-yard rifle (50 cals welcome), as well as a sporting clay layout. Bench/seated/standing/prone all allowed.
TargetMaster
Website: TargetMaster
Phone: 214-343-4545
Address: 1717 S. Jupiter Road, Garland, TX
Hours: Mon through Sat 10 AM until 9 PM Sun 12 PM to 6 PM
Fees: Non-member: $15.00, Members: $7.50 Membership: Individual $100.00
Highlights: INDOOR RANGE. 18 - 25 yard pistol lanes with lights at 7, 15, and 25 yards. 6 - 50 yard rifle lanes with lights at 15, 35, and 50 yards.
Texas Defensive Shooting Academy (TDSA)
Website: TDSA
Phone: 972-217-1182
Address: South Dallas. See website for directions, no address is listed.
Hours: Anytime, Day or Night.
Fees: Membership only. Range membership fee is $250.00 per year or $150.00 per year with two(2) volunteer work days.
Highlights: Pretty much anything goes. FMJ, Black rifle, rapid fire, and Class3 friendly. Multiple tac bays. Rifle bay has 100/200/300 yard berms. One bay with two plate racks. One bay with shoot house. Can be muddy
Tiger Valley
Website: Tiger Valley
Phone: See website for contact info.
Address: Just northeast of Waco, off Hwy 84. See website for detailed directions.
Hours: See website for events – not open to the public
Fees: See website for events and courses.
Highlights: 1000yd range, multiple tactical bays, steel knockdown targets. Civilian and LEO courses. Regular matches.
Tom Bean (Ralphs Range)
Website: none
Phone: 903-546-6524
Address: FM902 and Joe Bob Road, Tom Bean, TX
Hours: Any Reasonable Time
Fees: $3/Hour
Highlights: Basically an open range with a 12 foot high 50 foot long berm. Has target stands for 1x2x8 posts (you bring 1x2x8 posts to tack targets to), Anything legal is allowed (speed shooting, holster draws, FMJ, AP, Tracer, Title I/II, .50 BMG, tannerite). ~120 yds max range. Bench/seated/standing/prone all allowed.
Winchester Gallery Gun Range: Indoor Range
Website: Winchester Gallery
Phone: 817-496-9900
Address: 6062 E Lancaster Ave # A, Fort Worth, TX 76112
Hours:
Fees: M-F $12 all day, Sat& Sun $13.50 all day
Highlights: Indoor Range, 15 50ft pistol lanes, 5 75 foot pistol lanes, 2 75 foot rifle lanes. Gun rentals available, Revolvers - $5.50, Pistols - $9.50 - Beretta, Glock, Colt, Ruger, Sig Arms, Smith & Wesson, Desert Eagle, Plus we offer training videos and books for sale
Second Amendment Support Organizations (UPDATED 11/06/07)
A list of organizations which support and defend the Second Amendment - a "work in progress"
By 308Mike
Mon, Mar 12, 2007 1:56 pm
Second Amendment Support Organizations
After being asked for the umpteenth time for organizations other than the National Rifle Association (NRA) which support the Second Amendment, I decided to create a list for easy reference. Please let me know about your state’s active organizations and I’ll include them on the list. If there’s a LOT of them, I might have to break up the list by states, but to begin with, I’m going to list non-state specific organizations, beginning with the RKBA elephant, the NRA:
NATIONAL
National Rifle Association (NRA) - some people like this NRA site better (without the active content)
Second Amendment Foundation (SAF)
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) which advertises themselves as: America’s Most Aggressive Defender of Firearms Ownership
Packing.org - Concealed Carry Information Database
Gun Owners of America (GOA)
Second Amendment Sisters (SAS) - A women’s advocacy group dedicated to preserving the basic human right to self-defense, as recognized by the Second Amendment
Women Against Gun Control (WAGC)
Pink Pistols - Building bridges between shooting communities and those based on alternative sexualities
Keep and Bear Arms .com - helping lawful people maintain their abilities to protect themselves and the people they love through legal, private ownership and use of guns
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms - “The Common Sense Gun Lobby”
National Shooting Sports Foundation The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the not-for-profit trade association for the shooting, hunting and firearms industry.
International Practical Shooting Confederation
STATES
CALIFORNIA
Gun Owners of California
California Rifle and Pistol Association
California Concealed Weapons Forum
California CCW - Concealed Carry Forum
GEORGIA
GeorgiaCarry.org
GeorgiaPacking.org
OKLAHOMA
Oklahoma Rifle Association
Oklahoma Shooters Association
OHIO
Ohioans for Concealed Carry
MICHIGAN
Michigan Gun Owners
MINNESOTA
Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance
TENNESSEE
Tennessee Firearms Association
VIRGINIA
Virginia Citizen’s Defense League (VCDL)
Virginia Shooting Sports Association
40 Reasons to ban guns…
Raji's list of 40 reasons to ban guns.
By 308Mike
Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:25 pm
Copied from The Other Side, rajl’s posting of 40 Reasons to ban guns…
I saw this on another forum and loved it. I thought you guys might too.
40 reasons to ban guns.....
1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.
2. Washington DC’s low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis’ high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are “just statistics.”
4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should “put up no defense - give them what they want, or run” (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don’t Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).
10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.
13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a “state” militia.
14. These phrases: “right of the people peaceably to assemble,” “right of the people to be secure in their homes,” “enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people,” and “The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people” all refer to individuals, but “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” refers to the state.
15. “The Constitution is strong and will never change.” But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
16. Rifles and handguns aren’t necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
17. Private citizens shouldn’t have handguns, because they aren’t “military weapons’’, but private citizens shouldn’t have “assault rifles’’, because they are military weapons.
18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940’s, 1950’s and 1960’s, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.
19. The NRA’s attempt to run a “don’t touch” campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby’s attempt to run a “don’t touch” campaign is responsible social activity.
20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is “an accident waiting to happen” and gun makers’ advertisements aimed at
women are “preying on their fears.”
23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a “weapon of mass destruction” or an “assault weapon.”
27. Most people can’t be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.
30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the
Constitution.
31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do “civilians” who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
33. We should ban “Saturday Night Specials” and other inexpensive guns because it’s not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
35. Private citizens don’t need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
36. Citizens don’t need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
37. “Assault weapons” have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that’s bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that’s good.
39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to “keep guns out of the wrong hands.” Guess what? You have the wrong hands.
And ones added on:
41. You cannot condemn all Muslims as terrorists because of the actions of a few. But all gun owners are just murderers who haven’t murdered “yet”.
42. Gun owners are obviously smarter and more likely to reproduce so we should eliminate this successful strategy in favor of a more environmentally friendly approach.
43. Celebrities and politicians are often stalked by insane individuals and so need the protection of a concealed firearm, as opposed to regular folks who just have to trust in the powers of the mystic restraining order.
44. The law says that people are innocent until proven guilty, which is why many prospective and otherwise law abiding citizens are denied guns that will immediately turn them into a criminial.
45. Anti-gun celebrities and politicians find it prudent to have gun toting bodyguards to protect them from whom, the law abiding gun owner or a deranged (fat, lesbian, talk show hostess), obsessed fan…
